From Fashion Designer to Podcasting Passion and a Dose of Disruption | Featuring Zoe Greenhalf & Alex Pett

I never thought a simple intention to sprinkle more fun into my life would set me on a path to podcasting, but here we are, raising a glass to a year of mischief-making and the kickoff of season four. Join the party as Resilience Coach and fellow podcaster, Alex Pett, flips the script and puts ME in the hot seat! We're peeling back the layers on how a life that felt a bit too mediocre morphed into one rich with purpose and playfulness. Setting intentions wasn't just a trivial act; it was the spark that ignited a transformation, leading to this very podcast and a life I now celebrate every day.

As I reminisce about my previous incarnation as a footwear designer, the themes of creativity and individuality are as clear as the pop of color in an orange eyelet. We're not just talking shoes here; we're talking life philosophy. With guest-host Alex lending her insights, we tackle the courage it takes to chase our passions, turning a deaf ear to the cacophony of external judgment and silencing that annoying inner-critic. This episode is a rallying cry for anyone looking to embrace their inner rebel, to craft something original, and to live a life that defies the mundane.

Now, from contemplating a cold water swim challenge to sharing my dream of chatting (or maybe strumming guitars?) with Dave Grohl, this episode is brimming with the anticipation of what's yet to come. It's a testament to the power of action and authenticity, and a tantalizing glimpse into the future of this podcast, where I might just sprinkle in live coaching calls or welcome unexpected guests to the mic. So, strap in and tune in, because this is where we turn the ordinary on its head and champion a life well-lived—one filled with fun, adventure, and a good dose of mischief.

Chapters

• 0:00 Reclaiming Your Adventurous and Mischievous Life
• 3:59 Podcasting and Overcoming Self-Doubt
• 13:05 Starting and Maintaining Challenges
• 19:53 Life on Your Terms
• 24:22 Future Vision and Cold Water Swims
• 29:55 Impact of Podcast on Inspiring Action

Transcript

Alex Pett: 0:00

You know there's always that moment where you've got to jump, you've got to do the thing, you've got to actually take that step. But I think a lot of people who end up on this side of the mic or coaching or in these kind of roles have gone through a lot of this stuff and kind of know the power of those little tiny mindset shifts.

Zoe Greenhalf: 0:20

Hello, it's Zoe coach, creator and mischief maker behind the mischief movement podcast, your weekly inspo for people looking for more hell yeah in their life. I'm on a mission to help you rediscover that rebellious streak, find your confident in a badass and stop holding yourself back from the amazing life you've been dreaming of. Join me each week as I discuss mindset, share stories or develop strategies, sometimes alone, but most often through interviewing adventurous, unconventional guests who are shaking up the status quo, living life on their terms and impacting the world by doing things differently. All this so I can help you, my amazing, renegade listener, to experience the freedom, adventure and meaningful connections I know you've been craving.

Zoe Greenhalf: 1:08

Not long ago, I woke up one day and thought this isn't the life I'd imagined for myself. I felt disconnected and unfulfilled, but I set my intention firmly on adding more fun, getting out of my comfort zone and becoming curious about what truly lit me up. And then magical things started to happen, including this podcast. As that famous quote goes, she remembered who she was and the game changed. I've always loved the red mischief because it's cheeky, playful and a little bit rebellious, and that's exactly what I hope this podcast brings to the table an audio ass kick out of midlife mediocracy towards fun and positive impact via playful disruption. Let's rewrite the rules, throw two fingers up to society and do more of the things we love. So I'm here to empower you to boldly rebel against the ordinary and support you as you design a life you don't want to escape from. If you feel called to activate your own adventure and make unconventional your new normal, I dare you to jump in with me. Ready, let's go. It's so good to be back after a slightly longer break than I'd intended.

Zoe Greenhalf: 2:22

So welcome to season four, where we'll be diving deeper into creating a life that's mischievous and meaningful by being more adventurous, more unconventional and more badass. This January, I'm celebrating a whole year of podcasting, so since my friend, alex Pert, a resilience coach and fellow podcaster, had offered to interview me, I decided it would be a great moment to accept and celebrate this milestone with a slightly different episode. If you're new to the podcast, you'll find out exactly how and why it began. If you've been listening for some time, I hope you'll see that confidence comes with taking action, and if you have a dream you are too scared to pursue, I want you to know that it is possible Hit, subscribe or follow wherever you download your podcast, and each week I'll prove to you that we can all achieve a life created on our terms. Now, without further ado, over to Alex so.

Zoe Greenhalf: 3:24

Zoe, welcome to your podcast, thank you Does feel a bit weird being on the other side, but yeah, yeah, it's kind of challenging isn't it To suddenly have to be on the other side of the questions? I know you have to just watch that I'm not, you know, going to turn the tables and start quizzing you. I love the podcast hose. It would be Like I said we are a podcast masher at this rate.

Alex Pett: 3:49

So you've always asked people at the start of your podcast what is your mischief. So let's just begin by throwing that back to you.

Zoe Greenhalf: 3:57

I thought you might do that. What is my mischief? I suppose what I've come to realise is I like to get people thinking differently. I really love people questioning things and seeing things from a different point of view, and I think recently I've realised that that sort of streak in me has been there since my days as a footwear designer, and it was always about you know, trying to come up with something that was yeah, that was different, and wasn't just one of the male. That was. My worst nightmare as a designer was here's a design from this store, we want the our version, and I'm like, oh really Like, where's the creativity in that? But yeah, I always love this idea of doing things differently. If there's like a standard way and a really off the wall way, I love doing it the off the wall way, which sometimes makes life much more complicated but also makes it a bit more interesting and fun.

Alex Pett: 4:59

So what you've talked about the shoe design there, but what was your most mysterious shoe design?

Zoe Greenhalf: 5:07

I don't know really. I mean, one of the hardest things about being a designer that's not at the top of the kind of couture market, if you like, is everything you're doing has got to be kind of toned down so you might start off with something really wacky, but you've always got to bear the end consumer in mind, and so you know it gets dripped right back until you can find like one tiny element, one tiny detail on the shoe and you're like, oh, that orange eyelet. Yeah, I did that. You know it's not nearly as exciting as perhaps what the design looked like 10 designs back, if that makes sense.

Alex Pett: 5:48

Because I was thinking of was it McQueen or you know, the really like ridiculously high kind of ballet shoe? Yes, all the ones with like snow globes in the heel.

Zoe Greenhalf: 5:58

Or I was like Well, I did eat. When I was a lot younger, I used to love the irregular choice shoes because they were just so off the wall, but I'd never got a job with them. So, unfortunately, my designs were a lot more toned down.

Alex Pett: 6:15

Well, you know, maybe there'll be an opportunity in future arising from this podcast. Anyone says this thing what made you start a podcast?

Zoe Greenhalf: 6:26

Do you know what? It's been one of those things that was playing on my mind for so many years, and I think the idea came because I enjoyed listening to podcasts so much. The very first podcast I ever listened to was probably in around 2008, 2009. And I had this dream to move to Italy and I've somehow found this free podcast about learning Italian and that's how I that was my first taste of understanding what a podcast was. I got access to all this kind of free information and was learning a language and I was recording the episodes to listen to on CD in my car and my commute to work. And I remember thinking you know, it's so cool that you can actually just do this. I think I picked it up because you know it served a purpose. I'd found it accidentally and then I was at home as a new mom with a baby. I saw something on social media from Carrie Green who wrote she Means Business and she was advertising her podcast and it was a lot what it was to do with starting her own online business. But it was an awful lot of like mindset stuff and self development and I downloaded a few episodes and I loved it.

Zoe Greenhalf: 7:49

I just found that podcasts could fit into my life so easily. When I was out walking, when I was hanging out the washing, when I was doing all the boring stuff. Suddenly it wasn't that boring anymore. It was like it's like oh you know, give me the boring task because I can put a podcast on and I can learn something at the same time. I'm quite nerdy. I love any way of like yeah, just like learning and stuff. Yeah, I just enjoyed it so much that I started thinking wouldn't it be so cool to have my own podcast.

Zoe Greenhalf: 8:23

But two major things blocked me for a really long time. One was the confidence piece. It was the classic case of it's not gonna be perfect. Can I cope with that? Can I put something out that's not gonna be that good? What will people think? Is anybody gonna listen?

Zoe Greenhalf: 8:40

But the other major thing was I'm just not quite sure what I wanna talk about and I was brainstorming all these ideas until finally, once I'd made the decision to stop looking for my purpose and getting frustrated and just went just treat life like it's a game and put fun at the top of the agenda. Suddenly it was all clear and I was like that's what I'm going to talk about. I'm going to talk about how to actually take your life that maybe feels a little bit mundane and add the fun back in and make it interesting and enjoyable and bring the joy back. And from that point I haven't really looked back, because I managed to just use that to drive me forward, even past the kind of oh, I'm not sure if I can do this, oh, who's going to listen? You know what? It doesn't matter, cause I know what I'm going to talk about. Somebody will listen. Even if it's my mom, somebody will listen.

Alex Pett: 9:40

I think that's really cool, cause like shifting the emphasis off in judgments of others and onto the fact that you are passionate about this. This really matters to you and I feel like that can be an critic. It can overcome self-doubt. It can literally overcome anything if you know what you're passionate about.

Zoe Greenhalf: 9:56

Exactly, and actually I haven't introduced you properly, but you know exactly what you're talking about, alice, because you coach on the exactly these kinds of topics, don't you?

Alex Pett: 10:07

I do. I also have lived a lot of this too. Like we've talked about my inner critic myth, haven't we? And I told you I'm coming for her, that inner critic of yours, but I know, like you said, that you didn't know what to do and you were worried about the reception. Obviously, your podcast gets a great reception now and you're really prolific as well, so it's interesting that you've completely overcome that just by doing.

Zoe Greenhalf: 10:37

It's a hard thing, isn't it? Yeah, so often you hear that just start, just start. I know how many times I heard people saying that, not just about podcasting, but different things. And I say it myself just start, just keep going, it's really easy to say, it's really hard to do.

Alex Pett: 10:54

It is a lot of the work that I do with people is on the stage that comes before it, which is working with your nervous system, because the thing that's stopping you is usually either your nervous system or an anxiety narrative, so you can do the things that help you to get out of that place where you feel stuck and like you're up against something. So then, when you do say just start, you can be like, oh, I've got just enough freedom from my fear to take one tiny step in the right direction, which you did, and then it snowballs, which was wonderful, I got sick of my own voice.

Zoe Greenhalf: 11:26

I literally got sick of you know, sometimes you can kind of talk things into reality, like the more you start talking about it and you don't feel like you have to hide your idea or your goal. It helps to kind of birth the thing, because the more people you're telling, the more you're starting to believe that it's gonna happen. And I was telling people and I was telling people, I was still telling people and they were like great, so when's it gonna happen? And I was like, yeah, well, I mean it will, it's just. And then one day I was like this is ridiculous, I am so sick of doing all the talking. And then I spoke to a friend of mine, claire Alexander, and she was like you know what? So you just gotta start it. I will be your first guest, get it up and running, book some stuff in the diary. And I was like you know what? I think it's about time, isn't it? I'm so I'm boring myself now, so it's such a boring narrative. One day I'm gonna start a podcast. Yeah, you're on, no.

Alex Pett: 12:25

You are a year in.

Zoe Greenhalf: 12:28

Yes. So actually I've asked you about doing this episode because I'm actually celebrating a whole year. I can't believe it. I've had a few little breaks during holidays and stuff like that, but yeah, there's like 36 episodes out there now in the world, which is incredible. I can't. I almost can't believe that they came from me.

Alex Pett: 12:51

It's very impressive, thank you. It is more than I've done, and I've been doing it for years.

Zoe Greenhalf: 12:59

What's it that they say? They're quality over quantity.

Alex Pett: 13:02

Oh no. So what's been the most challenging thing through doing all of this?

Zoe Greenhalf: 13:08

Probably getting started in the first place. Yeah, yeah, I reckon it was actually that's got to be the hardest part, because everything else I just kind of figured out as I as I had to, but it was starting in the first place, and I think that's the same for so many people. Once you can get over that initial hurdle, then you just have to kind of maintain the momentum, don't?

Alex Pett: 13:36

you. I mean, even that can be tricky as well, like because life happens right.

Zoe Greenhalf: 13:42

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I experienced that myself. With the best will in the world, I'm trying to organize podcast interviews around kid bedtimes and kid pickup times and things like that school holidays, that kind of thing. But yeah, I keep coming back to it and it's all good. The hardest thing was getting started, but the hardest thing now for me would probably be to stop. I've had a bit of a break over Christmas, but that had to happen just logistic-wise and all that kind of stuff. But it's just so fun. I love it. I love having these conversations with people and they're meaningful and people get a lot out of them. Well, at least they tell me they do.

Zoe Greenhalf: 14:24

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Zoe Greenhalf: 15:41

So here's a question who would you love?

Alex Pett: 15:44

to interview on this podcast, alive or dead, easy, dave Grohl from the Foo Fighters. It was alive, yes.

Zoe Greenhalf: 15:56

I didn't know that.

Alex Pett: 16:00

I've met him. You know what he haven't? Yeah, I've met him. You know what?

Zoe Greenhalf: 16:09

He haven't. Yeah, he haven't.

Alex Pett: 16:12

Yeah, slies, have you really? My ex used to be a manager in the music business. What Unbelievable. He's not a very nice ex. I don't intend to mention him, but we were walking through Hampstead Heath one day and Dave Grohl was just sitting on the grass and he was like, oh my, he's had a little chat and he's like nicest man in. I think he said pop or rock. So when I say met, I stood there and went hi, you still spoke to him.

Alex Pett: 16:44

I've been in the vicinity of a hug. I would have gone for one. I think he'd have been all right with it.

Zoe Greenhalf: 16:48

Oh my God, I literally bowled him right over. It's been so embarrassing. I don't think I'd have been able to restrain myself. I just literally would have thrown myself and been like you're my absolute hero. How would you interview him then Exactly? I wouldn't be able to. I don't think I'd be able to. I'm a big fan girl and too much. I just sit there laughing and you're going to ask me a question or you're just going to sit there and laugh and be embarrassed. Yeah, that's who I would love to interview, but I'd probably have to do some serious training.

Alex Pett: 17:26

If you just give me the goal for the last ever episode, you can let me know, because you know you should go up. In the high.

Zoe Greenhalf: 17:32

Yeah, Wow, I'll say like. For me he's the obvious, because I just yeah anyone who knows me will be like. She's going to say Dave Grull. Do you know why, though, what you were saying about being the nicest man in work? He's nice, but he's cheeky. He's got that mischief aside. That I find really like, really attractive in a person. It's that kind of I know my own mind, I'm going to make my own choices, and it's probably going to be in a cheeky and fun way. I just find that really attractive in people because it's just I don't know, it's stronger than me. I don't know where that comes from, but anything that's like that, whether it's a person or a brand or a product, that's just that sense of self-assuredness and cheekiness. I just think, oh, you're talking my language.

Alex Pett: 18:29

Is that the language of mischief?

Zoe Greenhalf: 18:30

Yeah, I think that is yeah.

Alex Pett: 18:33

That's why you're so surprised by that vibe.

Zoe Greenhalf: 18:35

It's that vibe. It's playful, but it's also being self-assured. It's also I want to live life on my terms. Why can't that also be fun? My life was very serious because it was just I don't know where I'm going. I don't know what my purpose is. I've got two kids. I haven't got a career. What am I doing with my life? All adult responsibilities. I'm not sure if I'm ready for all of this. Hang on, where's the fun gone?

Zoe Greenhalf: 19:08

Once I started looking to bring that back and really tap into my playful side a bit more and stop being so serious. I think it was the whole entering motherhood was really like oh, you're a mother now and you should be really responsible and sleep routines and weaning schedules and blah, blah, blah, boring. I was like hang on, this isn't who I am really. I mean it is, but it also isn't. You could be both right. It's redressing the balance. I think it swung too far one way. I'm not saying you shouldn't be a responsible parent, but it had gone too far. I'd become too wrapped up in being responsible and I'd kind of lost that sense of fun, I think. And what I like to do with this sort of idea of mischief is say actually what I really want on a purely selfish level, but if it helps somebody else, then brilliant he's. I want to live a life on my terms and I want it to be fun, and I'd also like to make a positive impact, and that way I feel like I've covered everything that matters to me.

Alex Pett: 20:16

I think that's really important. I was reading the other day about how authenticity is a core need of being human. I think we forget that. We kind of get really obsessed with status or money or relationships, but actually being yourself is really important and that's actually one of the top five regrets of the dying, apparently. Is that, yeah, regretting not having lived your life your way rather than how other people thought you should live it. Yeah, so what would you say that your listeners need to know about you that they don't know already?

Zoe Greenhalf: 20:50

That's a good question that is a good question.

Alex Pett: 20:53

That's a good question. Is this a big secret, Like is it something you don't really want to share?

Zoe Greenhalf: 20:59

I don't think I've got any skeletons in the cupboard, not really. I'm just trying to think what they might want to know that I haven't already said. I feel like I've been pretty open about who I am, where I've come from, where I'm trying to get to. Okay, here's the angle. The thing that I would like people to know is that I live in Italy and it was a dream that I had and actually somehow I actually did make it happen, and I still don't 100% know how it happened, because it's like one of the most awesome manifesting stories you've ever heard, like it's so random, and I did talk about this a little bit on the episode with Oli, with Oli Dunn. But I think, in the context of having a dream and going for it and taking the action and taking those tiny little steps towards getting it, I actually want everybody to know that I live in Italy because I dreamed that one day I would live in Italy.

Alex Pett: 22:12

The podcast kind of you know about Italy learning Italian, listen to that in your car and now you're in Italy, like it's kind of a podcast of led you here. So obviously we connected through your podcast. I'm so glad we did. Yeah, me too, and I would imagine that you have made lots of other connections and lots of other things have come from this. So what's been the most surprising?

Zoe Greenhalf: 22:43

Well, nobody's given me a speaking gig yet, so I'm still available if anybody wants to. But the most surprising thing of all was when a friend of mine said that Max McMurdo was willing to be interviewed on my podcast, and I found that really surreal. Just because he'd you know, he's somebody that people recognise from having been on TV.

Alex Pett: 23:08

How did it go?

Zoe Greenhalf: 23:10

It went really well because I feel like the things he talked about was so aligned with this idea of mischief and basically I mean he even said it.

Zoe Greenhalf: 23:22

For him it's about designing a life, a job, around a lifestyle, and I was like you've absolutely hit the nail on the head, and the thing that I took away from that episode more than anything else was it's so possible, you know, it's so possible. And he gave me all these different examples of where he could have gone down one path but he didn't. And he was kind of hell bent on. I'm going to design my life around the things that I really enjoy, and having somebody sit there in front of you and saying it is totally possible just meant everything to me, because it kind of validated the message that I was trying to put out there. For the first time, I felt like I was talking to somebody who has not only done it but had done it in a very public way, and I just felt so seen and understood and I was like, oh, I'm not quite there yet. You know you're kind of ahead of me, but that's exactly where I'm aiming at and it's so nice that the listeners can can understand that.

Alex Pett: 24:22

So what is the vision for the podcast? What is your plan for 2024, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10?.

Zoe Greenhalf: 24:32

So I think the vision is just to. I'm going to keep going with it because it's fun. I'm just going to see how many interesting people I can connect with over the next year and beyond, hopefully and I really wanted to keep inspiring people not just about what's possible, but actually kick their ass into action as well. I don't want it to be an inspirational podcast that gets people talking for a second and then going back to their job that they absolutely hate. I actually really want them to mull it over a lot, talk about the things that they've heard and take some action, because that's the important thing and, as we've already said, that can be the hardest step. But once you make that decision, you know. So podcast is just going to keep going. And do you know? What I'd like to do on the podcast in the future is also maybe do some actual coaching calls and turn them into podcast episodes. Would be quite fun.

Alex Pett: 25:38

So, speaking of action, when are you going to join me for a cold swim?

Zoe Greenhalf: 25:45

I wondered if you'd get that in there. Right, well, it's happening in the summer, isn't it because January just freaked me out it?

Alex Pett: 25:54

will not be cold in the summer. Come on, it will be. We put this on your podcast accountability, Fine do it.

Zoe Greenhalf: 26:03

In fact, why don't we just put it out there that we are going to be doing a cold water swim on a particular date in probably end of July, beginning of August, something like that? That's probably when I'll be back, and anybody who finds this coming along send us a DM will decide a date. What do you reckon?

Alex Pett: 26:26

Funny, I went, for you know I went this morning, so I'm well up for it.

Zoe Greenhalf: 26:30

I know you're not even convincing, it's me.

Alex Pett: 26:33

I'm not there. You're just getting me and trying to tell me whether it's snowing or not. You would love it honestly.

Zoe Greenhalf: 26:41

I mean the mindset there, though. What is the mindset? What are you thinking as you're like, getting ready and you take your dry robe off or whatever, and you're going towards the water? Are you thinking, come on, you've done this loads of times, it's going to be fine, you're absolutely fine? Or are you freaking out, going? Oh, my god, it's going to be so cold.

Alex Pett: 26:57

Usually it's kind of just like la, la, la, la, like you. Just you don't want to hear what's going on in your head because it's. You know, there's always that moment where you've got to jump, you've got to do the thing, you've got to actually take that step, and sometimes I find that if I'm not completely consciously engaged in that moment, it's quite a good thing, because I want to match it in the water. I'm like, oh, it's fine, or like I'll set, I'll focus on setting up my phone to take a video so that I'm not really thinking about what I'm doing. Or I'm usually with someone as well, and if you're with someone, it's either my friend to Lula, who will rush straight in, and she's so brave, and I'm just like, well, I can't hang.

Alex Pett: 27:36

You know, I'm a resilience coach, I can't stand on the edge going, oh my god. Or it's somebody who isn't as experienced as me, and then I need to set an example. So there's no getting out of it either way. Yeah, that's good then. It is a wonderful thing to do there. I hope we do get to do that swim.

Zoe Greenhalf: 27:52

Yeah, do you know, it's one of those things where I know I would love it because it freaks me out, and most of my life I've done the things that I don't want to do, because I get such a kick out of the satisfaction of having done them afterwards and I just feel like that's going to be another one to add to the list.

Alex Pett: 28:14

It's proper edge of your comfort zone stuff.

Alex Pett: 28:18

Like I've been here for four years and this morning my brain was like or my mind was like what are you doing? Why are you doing this? You could die. Does it get easier, though? No, that's kind of the point, because actually every time you have to go through that, you remind yourself that that fearful little voice is lying and actually you get a water and you're like oh, I'm in the water and I'm still alive, and actually, wow, I feel really really good. This is amazing. Look at the sunrise. And then you get out and you feel even better, unless you stay in too long, which you should never do, and it really sets you up for the day and if you've got any aches and pains, any inflammation, it's all gone.

Zoe Greenhalf: 28:58

Wow.

Alex Pett: 29:00

Yeah, I'm a massive obviously a massive advocate for it. So I think it's physically and mentally, it's just one of the best things that you can do.

Zoe Greenhalf: 29:10

Then it has to happen and it will happen. It will happen. You're saying it won't be cold, but if you are someone like me who hasn't been swimming in cold water, it will feel cold.

Alex Pett: 29:21

Okay. Well, maybe we can get an ice bath as well, just to make sure you get that full exclure in it. Well, congratulations on a year of podcasting and thank you for letting me interview you.

Zoe Greenhalf: 29:35

Oh, thank you. It's been super fun. Ps, we'll have to get you back on again soon.

Alex Pett: 29:41

Yeah, well, I'm happy to anytime. Brilliant, maybe you can interview me in the water.

Zoe Greenhalf: 29:49

Stop it with the water right.

Alex Pett: 29:52

Relentless.

Zoe Greenhalf: 29:55

Well, I hope you loved today's episode and it made you think differently, or perhaps nudged you into changing something in your life that's not working for you. I'd love to give you a shout out right here on the podcast too, so let me know what you think, what you'd like to hear more of, or how you've been inspired to take bold action. Let's keep in touch over on Instagram at the mischief movement, or click the link in the show notes to sign up to my mischief mail newsletter, where you'll get exclusive insights on upcoming episodes and your chance to submit questions to future guests. But shh, don't tell anyone, it's our secret. Please keep spreading the word about the podcast. You're doing such an amazing job, and I'm also super grateful for your five star ratings on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, which seriously helped my mission to inspire and empower more people like us to choose mischief over mediocre. Have a great week and keep making mischief, ciao.